Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences

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Looks like Transformers One is going to have an uphill battle at the box office. The film was predicted to make upwards of 30 million dollars this week-end BUT it looks like it will be making 5 million less. Numbers are not final, but as of now the estimates are that it will have made 25 million this week-end and coming in second place to Beetlejuice which made one million more. Of course, as mentioned, these are early estimates and it could change who wins this week-end box office wise, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a much closer race than thought.

And it's too bad since Transformers One is liked by fans, critics and the general movie going public. Its Cinemascore, which is an average of the ranking gave in exit polls that predicts the longevity of a film is an A. That is an amazing score, and the same score given to films like Avengers Endgame and Inside Out 2 (and a ton of other movies that did amazing at the box office). For comparison, Rise of the Beasts and Bumblebee had an A- while The Last Knight had a B+, and The Marvels got a B (just to show the gammet).

This cinemascore means that the conversation on box office is just beginning as other films that opened low with great scores still came out on top, like Bumblebee and Elemental. As for international box office, Transformers One and it's competitor next week, The Wild Robot, have a staggered worldwide release so it won't be obvious how well either film does overall right away. We will keep you covered week to week.

Below is an excerpt from The Hollywood Reporter, which shows how it's still too early to judge Transformers One as a success or flop.

The jury is out on the film’s ultimate fate. The modestly budgeted event pic, co-financed by Habro, cost $75 million to produce before marketing, which minimizes the sting of the weak domestic opening. The hope now is that it can find its footing and enjoy a long run in theaters based on such strong exits and reviews, although the entry of DreamWorks Animation and Universal’s The Wild Robot next weekend could complicated matters, at least on the family front. (Wild Robot commenced its international rollout in eight markets over the weekend, earning $6.9 million, which includes a paltry $4 million from China.)

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Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184420)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 22nd, 2024 @ 1:21pm CDT

I was afraid of this when there were only 8 people besides myself in the 3D showing on Friday. It was 1:00 PM though, and I assumed more families would come to see it once kids were out of school.

Oh well, at least it isn't too far below projections, and seems to be getting mostly positive word of mouth.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184421)
Posted by william-james88 on September 22nd, 2024 @ 1:33pm CDT

While there is no release date yet, Amazon has the preorder up for the Transformers One home video release. We now know what the standard cover will look like and what the Steelbook cover will look like. Images and links are below.

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DVD https://www.amazon.ca/Transformers-One- ... 8&qid=&sr=?tag=seibertron0b-20&
Steelbook https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0DGV6 ... UTF8&psc=1?tag=seibertron0b-20&

Amazon.ca

DVD https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-One ... 836&sr=8-1?tag=seibertron07-20&
Steelbook https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Ste ... 156&sr=8-1?tag=seibertron07-20&

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Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184423)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 22nd, 2024 @ 3:31pm CDT

I just came back from the movie and yup.

Hands down the BEST Transformers movie so far. Everything clicks, everything makes sense, and not a single cringe moment, nor forced current day "message". This will make TF1 TIMELESS. It will be as good in 50 years as it is right now.

:APPLAUSE:

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184424)
Posted by william-james88 on September 22nd, 2024 @ 5:34pm CDT

-Kanrabat- wrote:I just came back from the movie and yup.

Hands down the BEST Transformers movie so far. Everything clicks, everything makes sense, and not a single cringe moment, nor forced current day "message". This will make TF1 TIMELESS. It will be as good in 50 years as it is right now.

Do you also think the badassatron joke paid off? Because i was surprised it did

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184425)
Posted by cloudballoon on September 22nd, 2024 @ 5:59pm CDT

Proabably some franchise fatigue have something to do with the slower start?

Some "fans" that can only accept a TF media in a narrowly defined "acceptable" way might also have hurt the box office?

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184426)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 22nd, 2024 @ 6:33pm CDT

cloudballoon wrote:Proabably some franchise fatigue have something to do with the slower start?

Some "fans" that can only accept a TF media in a narrowly defined "acceptable" way might also have hurt the box office?

Well, seeing as there was a TF movie in theaters last year, a lot of more casual fans probably find it odd that there's an origin movie so soon after, if they assume origin=reboot.

And to clarify, RotB is my third favorite live action TF film after AofE and Bee Movie, so please don't assume I'm implying its quality (averageness) was the problem. I think it is partly recent film frequency and not necessarily long-term franchise fatigue.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184427)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 22nd, 2024 @ 7:15pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I just came back from the movie and yup.

Hands down the BEST Transformers movie so far. Everything clicks, everything makes sense, and not a single cringe moment, nor forced current day "message". This will make TF1 TIMELESS. It will be as good in 50 years as it is right now.

Do you also think the badassatron joke paid off? Because i was surprised it did

"Who wants to get cut?" :lol:

Also, I do hope y'all stayed for the post-credits scene.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184428)
Posted by Dino-Snarl on September 22nd, 2024 @ 7:47pm CDT

Won't watch it in theatres. Don't go anymore. Bought the DVD.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184429)
Posted by cloudballoon on September 22nd, 2024 @ 7:53pm CDT

Bumblevivisector wrote:
cloudballoon wrote:Proabably some franchise fatigue have something to do with the slower start?

Some "fans" that can only accept a TF media in a narrowly defined "acceptable" way might also have hurt the box office?

Well, seeing as there was a TF movie in theaters last year, a lot of more casual fans probably find it odd that there's an origin movie so soon after, if they assume origin=reboot.

And to clarify, RotB is my third favorite live action TF film after AofE and Bee Movie, so please don't assume I'm implying its quality (averageness) was the problem. I think it is partly recent film frequency and not necessarily long-term franchise fatigue.

Oh no, I'm not targetting you specifically. I meant the casual general population might have the franchise fatigue that's hitting the Star Wars, MCU, DC, Ghostbusters franchises these few years. Likely for the reasons you said. Also, some might no longer be interested in TF anymore after AOE/TLK.

You got your bum in the theater, that's not the type of "fans" I was talking about. Those won't even go to see TF1 "on principle" because of their negative reception from the trailer(s) or their perceived plot points (eg. hating OP & Megs as "brothers" pre-war, believing Elita-1 a "woke girl-boss" without knowing the nuance, etc.) or whatever.

People have their valid/invalid resons to go see a movie or not. I respect that and rather not judge, I do like to analyse and try to understand their reasons though.

Even if TF1 is underperforming, I'm already very happy the TF movie-verse changed direction for the better(IMO, of course) by going with animation and rooted in Cybertron and not Earth (for now). Going with animation brings down the production cost and help with the TF movie franchise's longevity. I really hope whatever its final officebox numbers will be, it's enough to warrant sequels.

I'm terms of ranking, it's '86 as the "forever #1" because I'm biased towards trad hand drawn animation. BBM & '07 is kind of tied as #2 (objectively I think BBM is a better movie, but '07 started the modern TF movie franchise so that get the nostgalia/respect credit, so I go back and forth between betweem as the "best" of live-action films) and ROTB comes after. The other Bay don't really get much of a rewatch for me (I'd rather YouTube the action sequences than pull out the discs).

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184430)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 22nd, 2024 @ 7:54pm CDT

Dino-Snarl wrote:Won't watch it in theatres. Don't go anymore. Bought the DVD.

You're only hurting the movie's chances of box office success by doing that.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184431)
Posted by Dino-Snarl on September 22nd, 2024 @ 8:09pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Dino-Snarl wrote:Won't watch it in theatres. Don't go anymore. Bought the DVD.
You're only hurting the movie's chances of box office success by doing that.

Can't be helped. We haven't seen a movie in theatres for 7 years. prefer being at home alone. Introvert thing.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184432)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 22nd, 2024 @ 8:21pm CDT

Dino-Snarl wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Dino-Snarl wrote:Won't watch it in theatres. Don't go anymore. Bought the DVD.
You're only hurting the movie's chances of box office success by doing that.

Can't be helped. We haven't seen a movie in theatres for 7 years. prefer being at home alone. Introvert thing.

When I saw it on Friday, I had the whole room to myself. No one else had bought tickets to that screening, so I was the only one in the theater room.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184433)
Posted by Dino-Snarl on September 22nd, 2024 @ 8:24pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Dino-Snarl wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Dino-Snarl wrote:Won't watch it in theatres. Don't go anymore. Bought the DVD.
You're only hurting the movie's chances of box office success by doing that.

Can't be helped. We haven't seen a movie in theatres for 7 years. prefer being at home alone. Introvert thing.
When I saw it on Friday, I had the whole room to myself. No one else had bought tickets to that screening, so I was the only one in the theater room.

Heaven.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184434)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 22nd, 2024 @ 8:30pm CDT

Dino-Snarl wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Dino-Snarl wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Dino-Snarl wrote:Won't watch it in theatres. Don't go anymore. Bought the DVD.
You're only hurting the movie's chances of box office success by doing that.

Can't be helped. We haven't seen a movie in theatres for 7 years. prefer being at home alone. Introvert thing.
When I saw it on Friday, I had the whole room to myself. No one else had bought tickets to that screening, so I was the only one in the theater room.

Heaven.

So basically, check the websites of your local theaters and look to see if there are any screenings on any days that no one has purchased tickets for. The best times for this would likely be morning or early afternoon showings on weekdays, when most people are at work/school. Friday was my day off from work so that enabled me to catch the empty-room screening at 1:15pm.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184435)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 22nd, 2024 @ 8:37pm CDT

There wasn't much people in my theatre room either. But there was 3 or 4 LOUD toddlers. :POPCORN:

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184437)
Posted by Lore Keeper on September 22nd, 2024 @ 9:43pm CDT

Man, I was really worried about this. There was not one other person in the theater when my family and I went. I couldn't believe it. Even bad movies have a better turn out, and TF One was phenomenal! If this thing fails, we're going to get nothing but Bayverse shlock until the end of time...

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184438)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 22nd, 2024 @ 9:51pm CDT

In my neck of the woods, while the Friday screening I went to was empty, I looked up the Thursday night screenings the night before and many of those had very few empty seats left. And at multiple theaters on the Saturday before, the Early Access screenings were all packed full (I myself had to drive over to a theater near downtown in order to see it that day, since the Early Access screening at my closest theater was completely sold out). So it looks like more people went to the pre-release screenings instead of the day-of-release ones. That tells me that more people than normal were eager to see the movie sooner than later.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184441)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 23rd, 2024 @ 12:01am CDT

I saw it twice. On Friday afternoon there were maybe 10 more people in the theater with me, but it was 1 o'clock so I figure a lot of people were still at work and in school. I went again Saturday night because I wanted to see it with a crowd, and the 9 PM showing had 3 other people besides me. It was very disappointing. Should've seen it at 5 or 7.

I enjoyed the movie just as much as the 1st time, and after the 1st 10 minutes the shock wore off and I immersed myself in the film. I definitely hope it gets a sequel, it's in the top 3 of TF movies for me right now. Once the hype wears off, it'll probably still be top 5.

I think there is product fatigue with the general audience, as I'm sure TF fans did go see it. But as it was with Bumblebee, the better film suffers due to its predecessor being an utter turd. If TLK never happened, Bumblebee would've done better, and if that dumpsterfire RoTB wasn't allowed to become reality, this movie would have done better as well.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184442)
Posted by Glyph on September 23rd, 2024 @ 2:33am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:So it looks like more people went to the pre-release screenings instead of the day-of-release ones. That tells me that more people than normal were eager to see the movie sooner than later.

I dunno - that sounds to me like existing TF fans who were anticipating it went to see it as soon as possible, but the general public ignored it? That's worrying. I hope word of mouth picks up quickly, but there's no avoiding that the domestic opening fell well below what we (and presumably Hasbro/Paramount) hoped for - can't believe we were beaten out by the Beetlejuice cash grabsequel!

From what I can see, it should still be profitable - reviews are good and as a family film it hopefully has legs beyond the opening weekend - but not the smash hit we might have hoped for. I don't think it's brand "fatigue" so much as bad reputation from the tail end of the Bayverse, and a general lack of popularity in the kid market (insert rant about the biggest brand efforts of the last 10 years+ all being about chasing older fans, not attracting new ones).

As for me, I'll certainly be going to see it and adding my bit to the numbers... when it finally releases in another 3 weeks. :-x

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184446)
Posted by ashe5k on September 23rd, 2024 @ 8:35am CDT

I really hope the word of mouth pays off and it has legs because this was fantastic.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184447)
Posted by o.supreme on September 23rd, 2024 @ 10:47am CDT

I unfortunately had a super busy weekend. My son went with about 5 of his friends, they enjoyed it, I didn't ask about how crowded the theater was on Saturday night. Definitely feels strange; my son is a moderate fan, but he was more into it when he was younger, definitely is more interested in other things, which is fine. But he has already seen the film and I have not. Ill hopefully get to see it this coming weekend.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184454)
Posted by DeathReviews on September 23rd, 2024 @ 4:58pm CDT

If the movie had a 'modest budget', as was said in the other article, then a softer opening week shouldn't be a huge concern...

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184455)
Posted by Glyph on September 23rd, 2024 @ 5:27pm CDT

As I understand it, its opening weekend was slightly higher than Bumblebee's, on roughly half the budget - and UK, Europe, S Korea and China haven't got it yet, so international revenue will definitely go up. I'm expecting it to be reasonably profitable in the end despite the disappointing US opening; the question is really what Hasbro/Paramount make of it, if anything (LdB did say they were planning on a trilogy, for what it's worth).

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184458)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 23rd, 2024 @ 11:22pm CDT

Glyph wrote:(LdB did say they were planning on a trilogy, for what it's worth).

I hope that's true, there's plenty more story to tell.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184459)
Posted by cloudballoon on September 24th, 2024 @ 2:18am CDT

I'm optimistic on the overall office box finanicals that it'll be quite profitable for its budget at the end. Turning around the downward spiral on ROI since AOE/TLK. TF:1 will help get rid of the bad taste gen pop got on AOE/TLK and for some, ROTB and BBM. Ultimately, with mostly positive impressions of TF:1, it'll help make TF1's sequel a reality.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184460)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 24th, 2024 @ 4:25am CDT

cloudballoon wrote:I'm optimistic on the overall office box finanicals that it'll be quite profitable for its budget at the end. Turning around the downward spiral on ROI since AOE/TLK. TF:1 will help get rid of the bad taste gen pop got on AOE/TLK and for some, ROTB and BBM. Ultimately, with mostly positive impressions of TF:1, it'll help make TF1's sequel a reality.

The fact that the budget of that movie was quite small with no BLOAT nor reshoots festivals give it a good chance to break even despite the relatively low turnout.

Plus, there's one more thing going for the movie. The toy line sell like hot cakes.

These factors together makes the sequels a certainty.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184461)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 24th, 2024 @ 6:40am CDT

My biggest concern is how much The Wild Robot is probably going to just destroy TF One's chances of success, as people are already predicting that movie as being Oscar-worthy.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184463)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 24th, 2024 @ 7:47am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:My biggest concern is how much The Wild Robot is probably going to just destroy TF One's chances of success, as people are already predicting that movie as being Oscar-worthy.

The Oscars has been failing since at least a decade. What's being nominated no longer counts because the nominations are either bought, or they check the DEI boxes. Genuine good movies keep getting ignored while movies no one knows keep winning.

So, eh.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184464)
Posted by Glyph on September 24th, 2024 @ 8:21am CDT

-Kanrabat- wrote:or they check the DEI boxes

Oh give it a rest.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184468)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 24th, 2024 @ 9:48am CDT

Glyph wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:or they check the DEI boxes
Oh give it a rest.

Why hiding the truth?

The boxes are checked, but people ain't buying.

Don't let toxic positivity ruin your things, when stating obvious criticism is forbidden.
That's what they did for the infamous Concord. Sure, that's a game, not a movie. But the comparison is the same. Concord would have sweep the gaming awards if the sales were at a sustainable minimum. Instead, Sony lost almost gulf a billion dollars and the game died after 1 week.

Anyway, these things are pretty over. Proof that there was internal memos to cut the DEI nonsense from Inside-Out 2.
The result: A BILLION at the box office.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184469)
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 24th, 2024 @ 9:50am CDT

Bumblevivisector wrote:I was afraid of this when there were only 8 people besides myself in the 3D showing on Friday. It was 1:00 PM though, and I assumed more families would come to see it once kids were out of school.

I saw it in 4DX opening night and was surprised that my friend and I had the theatre to ourselves.

I had hoped it was just because it was a weekday night and there wasn't a big 4DX crowd for this movie.

That said, word of mouth might be big here. This movie has been very highly praised and is getting a lot of hyping up online. This movie could end up doing better in the long-run than opening weekend.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184476)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 24th, 2024 @ 3:22pm CDT

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Glyph wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:or they check the DEI boxes
Oh give it a rest.

Why hiding the truth?

The boxes are checked, but people ain't buying.

Don't let toxic positivity ruin your things, when stating obvious criticism is forbidden.
That's what they did for the infamous Concord. Sure, that's a game, not a movie. But the comparison is the same. Concord would have sweep the gaming awards if the sales were at a sustainable minimum. Instead, Sony lost almost gulf a billion dollars and the game died after 1 week.

Anyway, these things are pretty over. Proof that there was internal memos to cut the DEI nonsense from Inside-Out 2.
The result: A BILLION at the box office.

As usual, you actually proved that anyone can validate any dumbass worldview by cherry-picking a few isolated statistics and claiming they're the only relevant factors behind some vague overarching trend. It's the same logic underlying the torrent of conspiracy theories influencing global politics today, as evidenced by Time Warner's suppression of the Batgirl and Wile E. Coyote movies, both of which are more relevant to this movie thread than whatever f@%king game you name-dropped.

THAT AM THE TRUTH.

To all the mods, I apologize in advance for derailing this thread, but even at the risk of feeding the trolls, someone had to say it this time.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184477)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 24th, 2024 @ 3:34pm CDT

I was just explaining why the Oscars are irrelevant since a few years.

And you threw an overemotional tantrum in response.

Imagine my shock. >:oP

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184479)
Posted by william-james88 on September 24th, 2024 @ 4:52pm CDT

We have more images of the Transformers One cards. Turns out these sre Chinese physical cards, some with holographic effect. While the Primes were the biggest news, since they were not clearly depicted in the film, it is nice to see other chars like Brawn, Sunstreaker and Ironhide. Some are cogless while others are cogged. There are a lot more cards than the ones shown below, as we can see from their indicated numbers. Hopefully the rest of the Primes subset will be found and shared.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184480)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 24th, 2024 @ 5:02pm CDT

I wonder if we'll ever get toys from these Primes? In the SS line, of course.

The first step would be to have a decent voyager class Studio Series Alpha Trion. :-?

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184483)
Posted by Glyph on September 24th, 2024 @ 5:26pm CDT

There are definitely days where you type out a whole thing and then think better of it.

Anyway, the Primes. Do we know if this will be feeding into the Age of the Primes toyline? Seems like a good opportunity to do some synergy. TBH the 13 have always been a part of TF lore that I find spectacularly uninteresting, but I will still be curious to see how they handle the subline (comparing to the POTP microfigs, at least).

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184484)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 24th, 2024 @ 5:47pm CDT

Glyph wrote:Anyway, the Primes. Do we know if this will be feeding into the Age of the Primes toyline? Seems like a good opportunity to do some synergy.

See here.

Glyph wrote:TBH the 13 have always been a part of TF lore that I find spectacularly uninteresting, but I will still be curious to see how they handle the subline (comparing to the POTP microfigs, at least).

It isn't a subline. It's the next main line after Legacy United.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184485)
Posted by Glyph on September 24th, 2024 @ 6:01pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Glyph wrote:Anyway, the Primes. Do we know if this will be feeding into the Age of the Primes toyline?
See here.

Cheers, I really meant design-wise rather than whether they get figures at all. I don't keep up with all the toy news so don't know whether we have any info on TF:One synergy. But I presume since they run from Deluxe up to Leader that they will get some proper designs of their own!

Sabrblade wrote:
Glyph wrote:the subline
It isn't a subline. It's the next main line after Legacy United.

Yeah OK, I stand corrected. That's splitting hairs even for you :-P

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184486)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 24th, 2024 @ 6:17pm CDT

Regardless of what future toys this portends, that pic of Quintus reaffirms my decision to hold on to good ol' Alpha Q. Was there ever any proposed fiction that might have repuruposed said Energon toy into Quintus Prime, ala Protoform Op into Prima?

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184487)
Posted by JazZeke on September 24th, 2024 @ 6:47pm CDT

Glyph wrote:There are definitely days where you type out a whole thing and then think better of it.

Anyway, the Primes. Do we know if this will be feeding into the Age of the Primes toyline? Seems like a good opportunity to do some synergy. TBH the 13 have always been a part of TF lore that I find spectacularly uninteresting, but I will still be curious to see how they handle the subline (comparing to the POTP microfigs, at least).

Some things are best left shrouded in the mystery of mythology, and the Thirteen Primes are definitely one of those things (see also: the pre-Hartnell live of the Doctor from Doctor Who). Any time Hasbro has tried to flesh out the Primes, they lose their enigma.

Case in point: The Fallen, starting out as the mysterious powerful Judas sporting a Satanic flame motif, and gradually evolving into "Megatronus," the incel of the group who betrayed them because the chick Prime friendzoned him.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184488)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 24th, 2024 @ 7:07pm CDT

JazZeke wrote:Case in point: The Fallen, starting out as the mysterious powerful Judas sporting a Satanic flame motif, and gradually evolving into "Megatronus," the incel of the group who betrayed them because the chick Prime friendzoned him.

But this time around, it wasn't Megatronus the traitor, but the usual suspect.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184489)
Posted by JazZeke on September 24th, 2024 @ 7:15pm CDT

-Kanrabat- wrote:
JazZeke wrote:Case in point: The Fallen, starting out as the mysterious powerful Judas sporting a Satanic flame motif, and gradually evolving into "Megatronus," the incel of the group who betrayed them because the chick Prime friendzoned him.

But this time around, it wasn't Megatronus the traitor, but the usual suspect.

Megatronus' final thought:

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184490)
Posted by Glyph on September 24th, 2024 @ 7:22pm CDT

JazZeke wrote:Some things are best left shrouded in the mystery of mythology, and the Thirteen Primes are definitely one of those things (see also: the pre-Hartnell live of the Doctor from Doctor Who). Any time Hasbro has tried to flesh out the Primes, they lose their enigma.

Case in point: The Fallen, starting out as the mysterious powerful Judas sporting a Satanic flame motif, and gradually evolving into "Megatronus," the incel of the group who betrayed them because the chick Prime friendzoned him.

Dangit, I wish the forums had a Like button. :lol:

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Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 25th, 2024 @ 10:54am CDT

william-james88 wrote:A part of Transformers One that a lot of fans have rallied behind is the handling of the 13 Primes and turning them into legendary heroes, along with their new designs.

I do have some mixed feelings about the thirteen in this movie, but that may just be because I expected to see what we've seen in other continuities. Spoilers below.

I really loved their designs (especially my boy Vector Prime). I liked that they were legendary heroes. I loved the portrayal of the one we see, Alpha Trion. And more than anything, I loved that Optimus was not a reincarnate of the thirteenth prime.

What I did not like: Primarily, that the Thirteenth were so recent. I love the 13 being ancient entities, rather than ones that were dispatched not all that long ago. I don't like that Sentinel was an outsider, I've always liked the "one of the thirteen betrayed the others" story. Making "Sentinel" actually be The Fallen/Megatronus or Leige Maximo (the Prime known for lying) could have remedied this. Lastly, I've always liked the Greek God-esque "Each Prime has their thing" (Prima is the leader, Vector has time and space, Trion is the storytellers, etc.) While their are elements of this in the movie (Megatronus is said to be the strongest, Alhpa Trion tells a story, Onyx resembles an animal and Micronus is small), they don't seem to be leaning into it. For example, Onyx is traditionally the beast former, but Alpha Trion turns into a beast as well. Additionally, he tells a story but doesn't seem to be known as a storyteller.

I do wonder about Quintus Prime and his relation to the Quintessons, if there is any.

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184497)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 25th, 2024 @ 11:21am CDT

Might just be me, but I still have no interest or dis-interest in transformers one. 13 Primes has never been a thing for me either, totally lost on me. Cool robot toys are always good, so there is that.

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Posted by Sabrblade on September 25th, 2024 @ 11:29am CDT

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:What I did not like: Primarily, that the Thirteenth were so recent. I love the 13 being ancient entities, rather than ones that were dispatched not all that long ago.

Yeah, every time the movie mentioned "cycle" took me out of it for a bit. Probably the most famous uses of "cycle" before now were in Beast Wars and Animated, in which it was roughly the equivalent of one minute. Going by that, the Primes have only been gone for less than an hour. :lol:

Looking at other uses of it, Simon Furman defined 1 cycle as being 1 hour and 15 minutes (1.25 hours) in IDW1 comics, the Marvel UK story "Target: 2006" identified 10 cycles as being 5 Earth days (which would make 1 cycle = 12 Earth hours), Brian Ruckley said 1 cycle is 1 day (but shorter than an Earth day) for IDW2, and the Dreamwave Energon comics used "cycles" to refer to "years".

Going by all of that, the Energon comics' usage feels the closest to this movie's use of "cycle", as we also know it can't be the Cybertronian word for "day" since D-16 uses the word "day" in the same context as it's used by us Earth humans.

However, my inner nerd still feels that only 50 years isn't nearly long enough. We need a length of time long enough not just for the Primes to disappear but also for the collective memory of the entire population of Iacon City to completely forget that miners were ever born with cogs, as well as enough time for the mining industry to really take off become a fully integrated part of Cybertron's society to the point that it doesn't feel like some new development at all.

At minimum, I'd say 1 cycle in this movie's universe should equal no less than 1 decade, meaning 50 cycles would be 5 centuries. Or if we want to go bigger, 1 cycle could be 1 century, making the 50 cycles be 5000 years. That sure seems big enough.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, it was probably just meant to be "years" (I'm sticking with "cycle = decade" until we get official word on the matter).

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:I don't like that Sentinel was an outsider, I've always liked the "one of the thirteen betrayed the others" story. Making "Sentinel" actually be The Fallen/Megatronus or Leige Maximo (the Prime known for lying) could have remedied this.

I mean, it still rather fits with most other depictions of Sentinel Prime being jerks and false Primes:

IDW1 Sentinel Prime: eventually revealed to have been a straight-up fascist.
Animated Sentinel Prime: a selfish, arrogant bully who worked his way to the top and tried to seize power for himself.
DOTM Sentinel Prime: struck a deal with Megatron to enslave humanity, believing Cybertronian life was the superior race.
Aligned Sentinel Zeta Prime: Probably the most decent of these flawed Sentinels, but was never a true Prime to begin with, having been installed as a puppet ruler by the Quintessons before he led the revolt against them. He tried his best to run Cybertron but faced many challenges in the process, challenges that left marks on his reputation in the eyes of the public. Most notably, he continued to enforce the caste system that had left Cybertron society unjust and unequal.

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Lastly, I've always liked the Greek God-esque "Each Prime has their thing" (Prima is the leader, Vector has time and space, Trion is the storytellers, etc.) While their are elements of this in the movie (Megatronus is said to be the strongest, Alhpa Trion tells a story, Onyx resembles an animal and Micronus is small), they don't seem to be leaning into it. For example, Onyx is traditionally the beast former, but Alpha Trion turns into a beast as well. Additionally, he tells a story but doesn't seem to be known as a storyteller.

I do wonder about Quintus Prime and his relation to the Quintessons, if there is any.

I feel like most of this might have been left deliberately vague and unexplored in this movie in order to either let sequel films explore them better, or to let the mystery and enigmatic intrigue of the Thirteen remain mysterious and mythical.

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Posted by Sabrblade on September 25th, 2024 @ 12:33pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:A part of Transformers One that a lot of fans have rallied behind is the handling of the 13 Primes and turning them into legendary heroes, along with their new designs. Fans have wanted a better look at them, since the movie rarely gave a clear shot of them, and now we have a great look at Micronus and Quintus. These character models are on cards though its unclear if these cards are physical or digital. We also have a screenshot of the thirteen from the film with their names labelled.

Hopefully we see more of these cards and maybe even get the toys one day.

In addition to the above, there's these:

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184501)
Posted by william-james88 on September 25th, 2024 @ 1:46pm CDT

The past week-end was disappointing for Transformers One at the box office. As many Hollywood pundits have said, it's unfortunate that a film that had such a great reception did so poorly. Especially when this is in the same brand where films that were panned by critics and fans made over a billion dollars.
All this just goes for domestic numbers because the film has yet to open on major markets internationally (like China and the UK). Now that the week-end is done, we know that the international markets it did open in(which includes the Philippines, Vietnam and Mexico) added $14M to the global box office, making Transformers One's total nearing the $40M mark. We will see if the good word of mouth will have an impact on this upcoming week-end's numbers.

Speaking of that word of mouth, it really is something else. The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes (verified reviewers) is 98%. Not only that but we even have Kojima's blessing. For those not in the know, Hideo Kojima is one of the most celebrated game designers of all time. He is behind the Metal Gear Solid franchise and offers his quick reviews on Twitter. For this film, he said it reminded him of X-Men First Class, which is his favorite X-Men film. You can see the tweet here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYEdVr1aUAAUEZ7?format=jpg&name=large

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184502)
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 25th, 2024 @ 1:48pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:At minimum, I'd say 1 cycle in this movie's universe should equal no less than 1 decade, meaning 50 cycles would be 5 centuries. Or if we want to go bigger, 1 cycle could be 1 century, making the 50 cycles be 5000 years. That sure seems big enough.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, it was probably just meant to be "years" (I'm sticking with "cycle = decade" until we get official word on the matter).

Yeah, I definitely feel like a century would make the most sense. Like you said, it would have to be long enough for everyone to forget that miners were born without t-cogs. So, unless there was some memory-wiping happening, Sentinel would need to be the oldest living Transformer in Iacon.

Sabrblade wrote:I mean, it still rather fits with most other depictions of Sentinel Prime being jerks and false Primes

Oh yeah, its definitely in character for Sentinel. I just mean I like the idea of a traitor being from within the thirteen rather than an outsider (in this case, their assistant.)

Re: Transformers One Opens to a Weak Domestic Box Office but High Scores from Audiences (2184503)
Posted by Glyph on September 25th, 2024 @ 2:20pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:*images of character cards*

Interesting that there seem to be at least 4 sets of these - the Primes cards are (unsurprisingly) numbered 0xx/013; Chromia, Sideswipe and (presumably) Sunstreaker are numbered 0xx/045; Ironhide 0xx/035; and the Gold Tracker(?) is 0xx/019. The various Autobots all appear to be on holo/foil cards, and the Gold Tracker is possibly lenticular?

Different sets of pack-ins or collectable cards sold separately? (If any of the Chinese text on the cards explains this, I unfortunately can't read it.)

#1 Signal Lancer fan & Sabrblade wrote:A whole bunch of stuff in spoiler tags

Cough, cough ;;)

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