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Let's hope everything works out.The movie series have so many cool desgins that would be awesome to get in toy form and would be a shame to them get lost at the wayside.

Day 507 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

who in the '86 line haven't they done already? they got hotrod/rodimus, kup, blurr, the decepticons... only one i can think of might be arcee? but we've already had so many arcees lately i'm not sure how a new one would be an improvement.

megamanfan wrote:who in the '86 line haven't they done already? they got hotrod/rodimus, kup, blurr, the decepticons... only one i can think of might be arcee? but we've already had so many arcees lately i'm not sure how a new one would be an improvement.

Perceptor, as well as any figures released as WFC characters (Archer, Springer, Ultra Magnus, Cyclonus, Galvatron, among others). But those could probably be done as redecos and rereleases of their WFC figures. Also, the remaining three Dinobots need figures (Snarl IS in the movie, but only for a couple frames).

If they make a SS 86 Blitzwing I'd be all about it. I'd then have to pick up the earthrise/siege Astrotrain. The insecticons could use an 86 release too. I have the legion class guys, but a Deluxe release would be much better.

I recently sold half my collection and decided to commit to only this WFC scale. So if I can get the full season 1 cast plus a few from season two/movie I'd be all set.

Core class Frenzy and/or Dispensor, please? Although Frenzy might be a bit too small for core class to be the proper scale.

megamanfan wrote:who in the '86 line haven't they done already? they got hotrod/rodimus, kup, blurr, the decepticons... only one i can think of might be arcee? but we've already had so many arcees lately i'm not sure how a new one would be an improvement.

wind charger, blaster (rumored), autobot cassettes, swoop, sludge, insecticons, blitzwing, kranix, spike in exosuit (not a minifig), any other junkion, real size executioner, perceptor, brawn, gears (i think he was a dead one, maybe not, but we need a good one).

And can we get a good freakin Alpha Trion please! retool scourge man! i dont care if hes in the movie or not, its about time.

I will be the lone Transformers fan fighting for Ransack, Barrage, Chop Shop & Venom. Alone in the darkness, I will keep crying out. I'm never going to shut up about these guys. Ransack is one of my ultimate favorites. I never see any other fans requesting them. They mention Insecticons a lot but they're always referring to Kickback, Bombshell & Shrapnel. Only God knows why because Takara has already made them, Hasbro has already made them & multiple 3rd party companies have already made them.

I don't see the point in constantly begging for characters we already got. That money & tooling would be better spent going into all the characters we didn't get yet. And the deluxe Insecticons are a big hole in the 1985 lineup. I think we got all of the 85 lineup updated except for them.

And the way things are going, it looks like I'm gonna have to start planning on making custom bodies for the Titans Return Fangry, Squeezeplay & Horribull. Fangry & Squeezeplay will be easy, I already know which bodies to use, but there aren't many Transformers that transform into a bull.

Damn, TF: Legacy sounds like something that I've wanted for a long time: fresh takes on unique designs, like those of Prime, the Bayverse, and Animated. Hopefully, we'll get better versions of Airachnid and Knockout to fill those spots on my shelves. All in all, a very intriguing article!

So wait, I remember a leaker had mentioned on april fools day that prime and bulkhead were supposedly sharing a mold/design, and they posted it on april 1 because they wanted it to be a joke, which implies it may not have been, we just weren't aware of how they would fall into the generations lines, and now we have this line where they fit in perfectly, does that mean they could actually be a thing?

Core Class coming to SS and that Legacy line are the most exiting rumors yet.
Hope everything will be confirmed soon!

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I will be the lone Transformers fan fighting for Ransack, Barrage, Chop Shop & Venom. Alone in the darkness, I will keep crying out. I'm never going to shut up about these guys. Ransack is one of my ultimate favorites. I never see any other fans requesting them. They mention Insecticons a lot but they're always referring to Kickback, Bombshell & Shrapnel. Only God knows why because Takara has already made them, Hasbro has already made them & multiple 3rd party companies have already made them.

I don't see the point in constantly begging for characters we already got. That money & tooling would be better spent going into all the characters we didn't get yet. And the deluxe Insecticons are a big hole in the 1985 lineup. I think we got all of the 85 lineup updated except for them.

And the way things are going, it looks like I'm gonna have to start planning on making custom bodies for the Titans Return Fangry, Squeezeplay & Horribull. Fangry & Squeezeplay will be easy, I already know which bodies to use, but there aren't many Transformers that transform into a bull.

The Deluxe Insecticons just don't have the recognizability, thats all. But you are not alone. Hasbro could have at least retooled CW Bombshell as Barrage to go with Chop Shop, and done a Ransack from Kickback, leaving Venom the only required new tooling. But nooo

Flashwave wrote:The Deluxe Insecticons just don't have the recognizability, thats all. But you are not alone. Hasbro could have at least retooled CW Bombshell as Barrage to go with Chop Shop, and done a Ransack from Kickback, leaving Venom the only required new tooling. But nooo

Great minds think alike, he was giving the same observation in the Kingdom thread, and this was my response:

Just to piggyback on some other comments.... there was a Legends Chop Shop during CW, which was a retool of T30 Skrapnel, but yeah, the other Deluxe Insecticons are long overdue I agree, especially since 2 of them could also have been retooled from the other legends class Insecticons.

Anyway...If next year Hasbro goes that direction, that is fine. Spending less money on Transformers would probably be better for me, as I have spent less in each successive year of the WFC Trilogy. I'm not saying 2022 will be a total bust, but yeah there is still a LONG list of original series characters that have had no modern representation at all, and others without one for at least a decade. I'd rather see those than keep rehashing legacy characters. But I digress. I'm sure UT fans are eagerly awaiting their due. If I only get 2 or 3 items per year, even if it's only through Selects, that is fine, as long as there is still something for me, even if it isn't through main retail. Yes I still have a long list of Combiners I am waiting for.

What I’d like to see them do is a set of voyager ironhide/ratchet for the 86 line. Ironhide had a couple of lines.. the ratchet recolour would be obvious, then they can re release them with post death decos.

Still feel they haven’t nailed the characters in the chug lines yet. And SS would be a good opportunity for them to get it right. The voyager scale would help with extra engineering...

I guessed this would be the case, it feels as if Studio Series in 2021 has just been keeping the wheel spinning until the next live-action movie starts production and Hasbro are given designs for that movie's characters, with the year conveniently being the anniversary of a movie. I get the impression Devastator was always intended as the grand finale for the Michael Bay movies in Studio Series before it moved on to other things, but it does suck that there are still many, many Baybois that haven't had new figures like the Fallen, the other Dinbots and the Twins (I mean there's a Jar Jar toy in Star Wars: Black Series so the fact they're unpopular isn't much of an excuse).

I'm intrigued about that Transformers: Legacy line though, if it includes characters from many different eras it would be a good place to put Tarantulas and Predacon Inferno without extending Kingdom beyond a year, and I'd be down for some new Prime toys. Perhaps the 10th Anniversary Breakdown and Jet Vehicon set, Hades Megatron and R.E.D. Arcee were a way of testing the water to see if there was interest in more Prime stuff? Once I have everything I want from Kingdom I was planning on taking a break from Transformers in 2022, but depending on whether or not Legacy is real and what it has, I may just focus on that line and nothing else.

Legacy is almost certainly real as the successor to WFC (and probably delayed a bit so Kingdom can have a fifth wave) since we know at least one store is calling Selects Black Zarak part of that line. Wasn't there also rumor that Motormaster was getting remade for Legacy?

Who knows, maybe that Armada Optimus Prime proof of concept will resurface as a Legacy Commander Class figure. I'd be fine with a CC Energon OP as well, especially if they can do something interesting with the drones. You know they'll make Op into a CC figure at some point, that's sure to sell.

o.supreme wrote:

Flashwave wrote:The Deluxe Insecticons just don't have the recognizability, thats all. But you are not alone. Hasbro could have at least retooled CW Bombshell as Barrage to go with Chop Shop, and done a Ransack from Kickback, leaving Venom the only required new tooling. But nooo

Great minds think alike, he was giving the same observation in the Kingdom thread, and this was my response:

Just to piggyback on some other comments.... there was a Legends Chop Shop during CW, which was a retool of T30 Skrapnel, but yeah, the other Deluxe Insecticons are long overdue I agree, especially since 2 of them could also have been retooled from the other legends class Insecticons.

Problem is Hasbro would have to go it alone. We're never getting Deluxe Insecticons for the same reason why we'll never get a proper G1 Jetfire remake: Takara Tomy can't sell it. The designs and original toys are owned by Bandai and Hasbro doesn't make anything anymore that isn't also sold by (or sellable by) Takara Tomy. So the only way the Deluxe Insecticons are ever getting made is if they look absolutely nothing like the original toy designs aside from colors just like Skyfire, to which I'd have to ask what's the point? Yes, they sold that tiny Micromaster Chop Shop with Megatron, but that was hardly recognizable as the Beetras design. They didn't sell the Legends Chop Shop at all.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Who knows, maybe that Armada Optimus Prime proof of concept will resurface as a Legacy Commander Class figure.

This would indeed be an ideal place to finally release that figure, yes.

I'm confused by the SS86 line. Is it just going to be characters unique to the film (Or those with talking roles, like Jazz)? Which it should be and if that is the case, there aren't that many left to make. Otherwise it is just another line to flood with the same old faces, who all appeared in some form or another, in the opening 30 minutes of The Movie.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Who knows, maybe that Armada Optimus Prime proof of concept will resurface as a Legacy Commander Class figure.

This would indeed be an ideal place to finally release that figure, yes.

Especially given the rumors that the commander class would be going up to a $100 price point - much more budget to work with

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm confused by the SS86 line. Is it just going to be characters unique to the film (Or those with talking roles, like Jazz)? Which it should be and if that is the case, there aren't that many left to make. Otherwise it is just another line to flood with the same old faces, who all appeared in some form or another, in the opening 30 minutes of The Movie.

This hasn't been confirmed, but it seems like it is going to be a line of characters from the film, most likely with at least a decent role and/or screen time. To me this makes sense just because it gives Hastak more wiggle room with who they place into this line.
I'd also assume they won't include characters that have been recently released in ER or Kingdom.
Although, I would not be completely surprised if this shifts based on how well the line is selling.

Would it be shocking if in a year and a half we see a SS86 Astrotrain? Not to me.
That would be two and half years after the Seige version was released.
And even if he ends up being a completely new mold, he could take a voyager if not leader slot, and I'd assume by that point in time he'd sell fairly well. I personally skipped the Seige version and have been waiting for a new version I like for a long, long time.
From there, a Gen Selects toy version could happen.
Which makes a whole lot of sense for characters with unique molds, such as Galvatron.
Eventually I could see this happening with the Dinobots; whether it ends up being toy version deco, or G2 deco. But it's a really easy way for Hastak to make money off of what could otherwise be stuck as a one-off mold.
These are the types of re-uses that will allow for figures like Blitzwing, Perceptor, and the Insecticons, which truly are difficult molds to repaint or re-tool into other characters.
But even then, Hastak could possibly play the Shattered Glass card.
That could be a win-win because any G1 character not included in that original story gives designers complete freedom. And for fans who like SG, it expands that series even further.
I could totally see people who don't like an original G1 character like Blitzwing being sucked into the fact that it's a SG deco and getting it simply because it adds to that part of their collection.

Emerje wrote:Problem is Hasbro would have to go it alone. We're never getting Deluxe Insecticons for the same reason why we'll never get a proper G1 Jetfire remake: Takara Tomy can't sell it. The designs and original toys are owned by Bandai and Hasbro doesn't make anything anymore that isn't also sold by (or sellable by) Takara Tomy. So the only way the Deluxe Insecticons are ever getting made is if they look absolutely nothing like the original toy designs aside from colors just like Skyfire, to which I'd have to ask what's the point? Yes, they sold that tiny Micromaster Chop Shop with Megatron, but that was hardly recognizable as the Beetras design. They didn't sell the Legends Chop Shop at all.

Emerje

What about T30 Roadbuster & Whirl, did those not get ported over to Takara either?

Even still, the fact that CW Chop Shop was made, shows it can be done. I'm not sure how long this whole "Brand Unification" thing will last, but I'm thinking it will slowly erode over time to where both Hasbro and TT will begin making there own product again, in addition to the mostly shared line.

o.supreme wrote:

Emerje wrote:Problem is Hasbro would have to go it alone. We're never getting Deluxe Insecticons for the same reason why we'll never get a proper G1 Jetfire remake: Takara Tomy can't sell it. The designs and original toys are owned by Bandai and Hasbro doesn't make anything anymore that isn't also sold by (or sellable by) Takara Tomy. So the only way the Deluxe Insecticons are ever getting made is if they look absolutely nothing like the original toy designs aside from colors just like Skyfire, to which I'd have to ask what's the point? Yes, they sold that tiny Micromaster Chop Shop with Megatron, but that was hardly recognizable as the Beetras design. They didn't sell the Legends Chop Shop at all.

Emerje

What about T30 Roadbuster & Whirl, did those not get ported over to Takara either?

Even still, the fact that CW Chop Shop was made, shows it can be done. I'm not sure how long this whole "Brand Unification" thing will last, but I'm thinking it will slowly erode over time to where both Hasbro and TT will begin making there own product again, in addition to the mostly shared line.

"Brand Unification" is nothing more than the figures between the US and Japan being identical. That's all. Packaging, release venue, production of exclusives, those are still up to the individual companies, like it has always been, except now TakaraTomy exclusives are more readily accessible via Hasbro, and vice-versa. If anything, all it does is save TakaraTomy time of creating new decos.

Anyway, that doesn't have really to do with the ability to release non-TakaraTomy designs as Transformers, and more with how copyright law can be interpreted (i.e. manipulated), especially when it comes to the genesis of any given design. Jetfire has a double whammy because Macross was adapted into Robotech for the US (licensee Harmony Gold likes being a troll with that), but Dorvack and Beetras were never imported. If the origin for any future Whirl, Roadbuster and the Insecticons designs can be legally set to be the Transformers line and not the Japanese original line (i.e. character design vs. toy design, really), Hasbro would be home free, and TakaraTomy can import that without trouble. I think the Japanese appreciate irony.