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2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:58 pm

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Just a heads up from JTPrime_17. There was a rumour going around that Earthspark wouldn't get renewed for a 3rd season and, independently, that 2025 would have no core class figures. That last one was assessed by the fact that we have all listings for the non exclusive Generations figures of 2025 (which is a Prime themed line). Well, JTPrime has confirmed that for the entirety of 2025's order forms, there is no core class price point. So we shouldn't expect those figures in 2025, at least not sold individually. It could very well be that figures that used to be in the core class are sold in a multipack or with another figure at a higher price point.

As for Earthspark, while there are still new toys coming on shelves this year and the beginning of next year, there is then a lack of listings for that specific line and instead a listing for the first wave of what appears to be a new show. We do not know more than that.

Below is exactly what JTPrime said.

I know the writing was on the wall.

I just wanted to clear some things up with what I know.

You can take this as you will, but anyways.

I have seen about 95% of the solicitations for 2025 that was offered to retailers.

Core class is not one of the price points being offered next year. At least in the traditional sense. Some figures will trickle out in some multipacks.

In all honesty the data I have seen shows the price point has not been preforming the way Hasbro would like it.

Another thing I can confirm is yes. It seems Earthspark will not be going past season 2.

The replacement for it is already in the works. The first wave of toys has already been solicited to retailers. The toyline’s branding doesn’t mention it being related to Earthspark at all so far.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Dino-Snarl » Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:05 pm

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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:57 pm

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So I guess there goes getting the other cassettes in the SS86 line, unless they're planned for a multipack.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby cloudballoon » Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:53 am

I got a total of 6 Cores. Don't miss it much. I doubt the SIZE of the Cores will be gone though. The question is whether Hasbro will pack in 2/3 Core size figures into a Deluxe/Voyager package, or forcing fans to get multiple Voyager Soundblaster/Blaster figures to get the rest of the cassettes at Leader price.

I wish Hasbro will do the decent thing and keep the Cassettes in 2-packs at Deluxe, the Minicons Team trios in Voyager.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby TulioDude » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:25 am

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They are probably going to return under a different name/designation.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby blackeyedprime » Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:42 am

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They will just be released under deluxe class/pricing :/ no loss to me but they did have some fun figures. Thrid party is amazing on the core/legends class for the most part but I don't even buy those either.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Emerje » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:29 am

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Reminder that we do have a pretty good idea of what's coming in 2025 for both lines and there's really no indication of Core 2-packs in them. Things are always subject to change of course (still waiting to see where that cancelled Deluxe SS Drift from the upcoming 2024 wave turns up), but it seems unlikely to be next year.

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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Spider5800 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:11 am

I can't say I'm shocked. The smaller figures from prior lines, like the War for Cybertron Micromasters, Battle Masters, etc, were also pretty poor sellers, and these are the only figures that always seem to be on the pegs at the various Targets and Wal-Marts in my area as well. Only a handful ever seemed to sell well, and they were the major characters from various series (Rattrap, Optimus Prime, Soundwave), the rest just kind of rotted. I'm already sick of seeing pink Camaro "Laserbeak". I still see freaking Dracodon from time to time, and he was released 3 years ago.

I remember there was discussion a few years ago about how old-fashioned GI Joe o-ring figures cost almost the same to design and produce as their larger 6-inch Classified figures, but people expected them to be cheaper because they are significantly smaller, so Hasbro just didn't consider that line worth continuing, and indeed they don't really make those figures outside of the occasional Transformers collaboration crossover anymore. I wonder if there's something similar happening here.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Emerje » Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:54 pm

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Spider5800 wrote:I remember there was discussion a few years ago about how old-fashioned GI Joe o-ring figures cost almost the same to design and produce as their larger 6-inch Classified figures, but people expected them to be cheaper because they are significantly smaller, so Hasbro just didn't consider that line worth continuing, and indeed they don't really make those figures outside of the occasional Transformers collaboration crossover anymore. I wonder if there's something similar happening here.

That's entirely possible, it certainly wouldn't be the first time Hasbro has cut off their cheapest offering, often because over time they can no longer be made cheap enough to be sold at a price point that would be considered "cheap". Though, oddly enough, we've actually seen the MSRP on Core come down, peaking at around $13 and then falling back down to $10, which is pretty damn rare to see.

I think what's really happening is pushback from retailers. They aren't selling particularly well (which has more to do with the retailers overstocking than anything) and between all the lines with all their different size classes and price points Transformers take up a lot of real estate that might be better suited for things that sell may sell better. Look at retail right now: 4 price points for Legacy (not counting CC and Titan since those aren't always sold at retail), 4 points for Studio Series, at least 6 price points for Earthspark, and another 6 or so price points for Rise of the Beasts. That's a lot! It's really no surprise that some cuts are coming.

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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Spider5800 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 5:51 pm

Emerje wrote:That's entirely possible, it certainly wouldn't be the first time Hasbro has cut off their cheapest offering, often because over time they can no longer be made cheap enough to be sold at a price point that would be considered "cheap". Though, oddly enough, we've actually seen the MSRP on Core come down, peaking at around $13 and then falling back down to $10, which is pretty damn rare to see.

I think what's really happening is pushback from retailers. They aren't selling particularly well (which has more to do with the retailers overstocking than anything) and between all the lines with all their different size classes and price points Transformers take up a lot of real estate that might be better suited for things that sell may sell better. Look at retail right now: 4 price points for Legacy (not counting CC and Titan since those aren't always sold at retail), 4 points for Studio Series, at least 6 price points for Earthspark, and another 6 or so price points for Rise of the Beasts. That's a lot! It's really no surprise that some cuts are coming.

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Makes sense. It probably also frees up production on Hasbro's end to make more stuff that actually sells as well. I know I would have preferred seeing more Studio Series Mirage's and Nightbird's available instead of piles of unsold core class Ratchet's and Ironhide's.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Quantum Surge » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:04 pm

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While I enjoyed buying the Core Class figures, I was anticipating this size class to die given the pegwarming of numerous 2022-now figures.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Emerje » Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:35 am

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Spider5800 wrote:I know I would have preferred seeing more Studio Series Mirage's and Nightbird's available instead of piles of unsold core class Ratchet's and Ironhide's.

I've barely seen those cores in stores, I'm still swimming in wave 1 Legacy Cores. Target has United Cores, but that's it.

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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby blackeyedprime » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:11 am

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Spider5800 wrote:I remember there was discussion a few years ago about how old-fashioned GI Joe o-ring figures cost almost the same to design and produce as their larger 6-inch Classified figures, but people expected them to be cheaper because they are significantly smaller, so Hasbro just didn't consider that line worth continuing, and indeed they don't really make those figures outside of the occasional Transformers collaboration crossover anymore. I wonder if there's something similar happening here.


Yet they make Four O-ring ghostbusters and sell them for cheaper than two 6 inch ghostbusters...doubtful.

what isn't as doubtful is the transformer pretender figures will never get a full line up in any size class they are thrown into :/
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Spider5800 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:14 am

blackeyedprime wrote:
Spider5800 wrote:I remember there was discussion a few years ago about how old-fashioned GI Joe o-ring figures cost almost the same to design and produce as their larger 6-inch Classified figures, but people expected them to be cheaper because they are significantly smaller, so Hasbro just didn't consider that line worth continuing, and indeed they don't really make those figures outside of the occasional Transformers collaboration crossover anymore. I wonder if there's something similar happening here.


Yet they make Four O-ring ghostbusters and sell them for cheaper than two 6 inch ghostbusters...doubtful.

what isn't as doubtful is the transformer pretender figures will never get a full line up in any size class they are thrown into :/


I mean, it probably helps that the Ghostbusters figures are using an identical body from the neck down. All they really need for those is unique heads. A lot cheaper to design those when all four are using the SAME design.
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Sowndwave76 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:17 pm

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The verbiage here is a little confusing;

"The replacement for it is already in the works..."...
The way I'm reading that doesn't mean that the new line taking the place of Earthspark is going to be related to a cartoon. I don't keep up on the cartoon/show news, nor am I on the cartoon rumor mill, so maybe I'm wrong and the this new line is in fact based on another new show. Is there going to be a TFOne spin-off show?

To me this wording reads that there's a line of figures ready to go, period. Of course, if not related to a cartoon show, then what is the basis for this new line?
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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby Emerje » Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:56 pm

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:No, (rends shirt) Nooo, (causes random objects in the room to shake) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Eh, what are ya going to do?

You'll be fine! There'll be plenty of new one steps coming in the new year.

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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:39 am

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:No, (rends shirt) Nooo, (causes random objects in the room to shake) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Eh, what are ya going to do?

You'll be fine! There'll be plenty of new one steps coming in the new year.

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Re: 2025 Has No Listings for Core Class but Listings for New Cartoon Line

Postby twitchybristles » Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:43 pm

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Late to the party on this one I guess, but...kind of a shame. I've always had a soft spot for Core class or its equivalents. Wonder if we'll see something like two-packs at Deluxe pricing down the road or something else down the road.
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